Fire Helmet Camera
Our first formal product review was a helmet mounted camera that can put up with fire service abuse. It’s a small self contained camera that records video on a removable memory card. We put this camera through the works and did a full write up.
Be sure to check out the review and check out FireHelmetCam.net for purchase information.
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I just received my helmet cam in the mail yesterday. I can’t wait to try it out.
Robert made it very easy to get this cam. And talk about fast shipping. I ordered it friday night about 11pm and had it in my home monday evening. AWESOME.
Why in the world do we need this? I’m a little surprised you’re wasting time on this “toy”. At first I thought it was a TIC then I realized it’s not. This site has impressed me with its no non-sense approach to our job. This product just doesn’t fit in.
Whatever!
I would be interested to have one in my department for the training value alone. How many times during classes do we have to point out where to look or the little details to pay attention to. Now the camera will see what I see and than I can edit it as an education tool in my next presentation by allowing students to “see through my eyes”.
I had an opportunity to see Jimm’s helmet cam at live fire training. I haven’t seen any video yet, but I know it melts good!
Marc,
We just wanted to take a second to address some of your and possibly others concerns. First and foremost hopefully everyone who visits us realizes that our intention is to promote a more efficient fire service while maintaining our traditional values of life and property through historically proven fire-ground tactics. Today’s fire service is undergoing very rapid changes from losses of experienced members, regulations enacted by those who are out for corporate gains, to decreasing amounts of fire activity. Due to these reasons we find that one of the methods in which we can stay both focused and efficient in our tactics is through repetitious training, firehouse discussions, and courses attended. Unfortunately as everyone has seen in recent years some of these tactics as well as values have consistently been eliminated due to various reasons.
We all know the fire service is not about making it rich, but rather a passion and love for the job. Our intention through product testing is to eliminate wasting our hard earned money on frivolous and useless items that seem to be a more common occurrence in today’s fire service thanks to corporate America. We also realize that due to a huge reduction in fires nationwide we have to find ways of showing and demonstrating why we utilize tactics such viewed on the “whatever it takes video” with the Houston fire departments ladder 19. Many agencies across the nation are not as fortunate to have fires daily or even monthly for that matter in their first response areas. As the fire service has experienced in recent years many only have the opportunity to learn from manuals and not street experiences. Many members have gone through the fire service only knowing their departmental ways and have not had the opportunity to see things from different perspectives and agencies. This type of knowledge and training base can prevent an agency from progressing and re-evaluating its methods and manners of operations which ultimately can lead stagnation or even worse injuries and fatalities to both civilian and fire service members.
We have been searching both high and low for videos that we can utilize to impress the importance of some of these tactics and concepts which in many cases are very difficult to find. We thought this would be a great way to acquire this type of video giving us more examples to continue to train and educate ourselves on tactics that work as well as those that don’t work. Many readers have used the footage found on this site as well as many others to implement changes through management partly due to visual evidence of its effectiveness.
Rest assured that we will continue to hopefully provide everyone with a no non-sense approach to our job. During our deliberation one thing that really concerned us is the common trend of making music videos for entertainment purposes. Although quite successful as well as entertaining we hope that this camera is used for the purpose of training and educating ourselves. Although we have and will continue to use some of these types of entertaining videos we will always be dedicated to the training and betterment of the fire service. We also realize that firemen across the nation will be spending hard earned money and hoped to eliminate these losses by prior testing and information. Stay Safe Jeff Ponds
Jeff,
I appreciate your comments. You will never hear this jake disagree with the statement that training is paramount in our job. That being said, training will never replace the experience that comes with doing our job for real. I don’t care if it’s live fire training in a burn building, or watching a video of some other guy doing it. From what I’ve read on this site it appears that the contributors and writers here have experienced at least enough on their own to warrant passing that knowlege on to others. That’s great! We can always learn from others.
I consider myself a pretty seasoned jake and work for a department in an old northeast mill city, full of balloon frame triple deckers inhabited by people who mostly don’t give a damn. I can tell you that I’d NEVER learn what I know by watching a video.
I’m sorry dude, this product looks like just another gadget that mutts will spend their scratch on so they can post a cool video on youtube.
Turn off the TV or computer and go out and do it!
I am glad to see that the cameras that Jimmy and Jeff tested met their standards. This does seem like a “toy”, but several fire depts. from around the world have been waiting for a fully integrated, waterproof, shockproof helmet camera with NO WIRES. Finally it is here! The best part about it is that it has a built in mic also. There has been some concern from other firefighters about the audio being low in some situations. I personally use “Windows Movie Maker” which is on every PC under “programs”. This lets the user edit video sections AND adjust the audio to a higher level. Our company has sold over 300 units this past month to US firefighters both paid and volunteer, and I am proud to say that there has not been 1 negative feedback about this camera. The only issue was that some firefighters were having trouble mounting the camera. Our company is now including a FREE helmet camera mount with every purchase. Our company is the only one that offers this mount for fire helmets. There are also warranties on the camera, card and battery kit and we also have an immediate exchange policy on anything that does not work properly. Compared to other helmet cameras that have to record in a seperate recording device and cost @ $1000.00, it is a no brainer why this camera is a plus for the fire service. It is extremely affordable to firefighters and is not a hassle.
As for some people that think this is just a “toy”, the camera is in service in several major cities and has been actually used by arson and fire investigators to help in the aid of determining origin when firefighters arrived to the scene. Training is also a plus when you can video and then critique a fire. Also, any portion of a video can be “frozen” and a picture can be saved for future reference.
No matter what anyone else thinks, the fire helmet camera is something that was eventually going to be a part of the fire service in the future. Well, the future is now and I am certain that only improvements will come to other cameras that are already in the prototype stage for years to come. The police have been using video for years as a dash cam. The military has been using video for years during conflict. Now, it’s the fire industries turn.
Just recived mine the other day, once the new helmet gets here I will mount it. Should go ahead and mount it on the old one, had two fires with the camera back in my locker
“You perform the way you train!” We have said it before on the site, and absolutely continue to live by that. It’s funny that I never even considered the camera to be used by a glory hungry “mutt.” If that is anyone’s intentions with this camera, then they probably need to pick a new profession. The fire service has no room for that non-sense.
When I saw the camera, and the entire time testing it, all I could think of is the good quality videos (for training) that we could capture with it. I couldn’t agree with you more, about “turn off the computer and go do it.” …after reading our site of course
… Like I said earlier, you perform the way you train. If the only training you do is sitting in front of a computer, then you are only hurting yourself. NOTHING can replace actually doing it. However, I think this camera may be able to capture video for us to share fireman to fireman, with the others less fortunate to not get many good jobs. Not for glory, but for the good of the fire service.
I appreciate your comment about this site’s “no non-sense approach to our job” I would like to assure you, that is who we are. This site is all about the no non-sense truck stuff, always has, and always will. The camera is not for everyone, I do have to admit I felt a little guilty strapping it to my leather lid. But I am willing to make that sacrifice for our readers. I simply thought of this as another tool for the tool box.
Marc, it is your passion for the job that makes it all worth while. I respect that! –Jimm-
Gents,
As a fellow brother, within our profession, I must profess that technology has its place in any industry, but a video camera. Well, that requires some unfathomable thought! After thinking about modern technology amongst our society, I came to the realization that cameras might not be the choice of technology for me while in the mitts of my duty.
Why? Well, here are a few thoughts to ponder from my perspective. First, for me personally, I am afraid that a camera would entice me to lose focus on the job at hand because it provokes my subconscious to the point that I’m so engrossed in achieving the best action shot. Secondly, it’s one more expense thing for me to break – trust me! I think every firefighter is good at that task. Therefore, I would prefer that an expensive piece of equipment be in the hands of someone that isn’t particularly involved in the battle of the dragon.
Hey, that’s not all. Here are a few positive points of discussion. If filming live action videos during an alarm is your thing – just feel free to do it! After all, everyone has to have something that they feel ambitious about. Seriously, let’s discuss some of the positive benefits of a camera. As previously mentioned, training! Absolutely, there’s no doubt in mind that theses tools can substantiate training and erudite education. Indeed, there’s no substitute for real world experience; however, no one could possibly experience it all during his or her entire career. Not to mention, as we so commonly do throughout life, we learn from history.
Historically speaking, in our profession, that’s where we typically benefited the most. Learning from others experiences! Prime example. I’d venture to say that many of us, during one time or another, have sat down and watched an American Heat Video. Why? Well, we wanted to observe and learn from others. There’s always that potential we could come across what others have already endured. And the live footage made a world of difference in our learning process. In fact, most people forget or don’t realize that we, as humans, are visual people. Hey, as the saying goes – a picture paints a thousand words of interpretation. To reiterate, imagine a world without the sensation of seeing and find the difficultly in learning what others have seen.
Now, let’s devour another point of interest. How many times, have we said that if the world could see what we do through our eyes – They would have a better comprehension of what we really do! (Rising hand) I have! Well, I think that brothers who developed this camera would raise their hands too. They achieved what we’ve always aspired to dream by taking it another step further and provided us an opportunity to seize a moment in time inside the devils den without Hollywood dramatization – Sweet! Remember, looking from the outside is only superficial. But, knowing or seeing what’s on the inside is where it all begins.
Also, let’s think about what this piece of equipment could do for fire investigation purposes. What does every fire investigator ask you when they arrive? What were the fire conditions like when you arrived and entered the building? What were the contents of the building? How were they arranged etc. I know that if I were the fire investigator, this tool would significantly supplement my investigation within the realm many facets.
As you can see brothers, there are many rationale reasons for video cams within our profession. Like any tool in our trade it has its place, utilization, and benefit. Let’s embrace the opportunity it provides with an open –minded perspective and see where it guides us. We just might be surprised and impressed!
Stay safe!
Darrell
PS – Here’s something else I wanted to address about video cameras.
- I adamantly suggest that you don’t have one rolling during your bachlor party (Smiling/Laughing)
- They can always leave your life time of memories and experiences for those who follow
My company just bought one today. cant wait to get it. other companies have them in our deptment and use them for training. ill let you know how it goes
Three ways to learn. Everyone needs some of each to retain the information presented. Some need more of one than another, but everyone learns to some degree in all three ways.
TALKING about it (Lectures)
SEEING it performed (Video or live demonstration)
DOING it (Getting your hands on it)
I see the video as a way to help. By no means do I think anyone thinks the camera is a replacement for DOING it. But it sure would help the seeing it for those who do not get real fires every day, week, month or now adays CAREER. (Yes I know firefighters and officers who have NEVER been on a real working fire in 20+ years – how sad!)
It was said earlier, training in schools, burn buildings or now-a-days a NFPA 1403 approved live fire training will NEVER replace what happens in the real world. If someone wearing a camera catches something in the real world, that others can watch and learn from, why not use it?
American Heat and at least half the videos at any fire academy show footage from outside all types of fires, HAZMATS and BLEVES, etc… why not use technology and show inside a fire. One day, maybe even combine TIC and a video camera (Oh wait, thats already out in the field im sure).
Thanks Jimm for sharing the information about the video camera.
One last item for thought…. Never heard of anyone getting killed for having TOO much information or TOO many options for training.
Stay safe.
~Egan
All things mentioned, one other consideration: What is the legal status of the video recording? In some areas, anything produced electronically is considered the intellectual property of the employeer. In the case of a department part of a unit of government, there may be Freedom of Information statues that could cause the video to be a public record. Also, the video may be “discoverable” during litigation. Finally, if the video is a “public record” you just can’t “loose it” if someone you don’t want to get it wants it (although I’m sure that can happen). All these comments are just that and certainly I think their is value in video for training, critiqueing, etc.
Kentland (MD) Company 33 had an issue with PGFD regarding a helmet camera. Stay safe.
Kentland had an issue with video because when they made a grab, then THEY decided to alert the media about it. The gentlman later died. I have spoken to Kentland and there has been NO legal suit against them about this. It should be departamental policy and procedures as to what the media should view. I fully agree as to what should be made viewable to the public. The law is going to fall back on the authority having jurisdiction. Thanks!
Rob
Stop over thinking this. It’s a camera, it clips to your helmet, it’s cheap and you might get some good training footage.
How about some video of this product on the website???
Bob,
We are currently working on placing some of our footage on the site. firehelmetcam.net also contains some footage. Jeff Ponds
I think that its best capability is actually in the critique after the fire. After a fire, it is hard to remember exactly what you did and what you saw, felt, did. With this tool it might help you understand the makeup of the incident through your eyes.
News media in Detroit giving Firefighter hard time about video on youtube from helmet cam.
http://www.wxyz.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=352D2048-108D-4E83-9814-2FCD99001D92&gsa=true
we had a fire the other day and i had my helmet cam recording and it was a good thing. there was a incident that took place and was caught on tape or memory card haha the incident is now under review and there cant be any “well i never said/did that” crap.
Gents,
Recently, during yesterdays tour, I had the distinguished opportunity to utilize Rob Shields Helmet Cam on a multifamily; residential structure fire. And allow me to profess this, “It definitely dispelled all my concerns about the product!” In fact, permit me to tell my story.
Yesterday afternoon, I broke out the helmet cam and displayed it to the brothers of house. They were stoked – to say the least! Everyone took turns getting acquainted with our new toy. Hey, we even used it to initial a practical joke on the Battalion during his daily visitation. Yeah baby! Gang, if you could have seen the look on his face… He loved it! Its times like these, we’re very fortunate to have a leader with a sense of humor instead of a person who forgot their humorous personality at the office – Thanks Chief!
During the conclusion of our firehouse cuisine, the alarm bellowed out for the truck. We proceeded to the apparatus bay and infiltrated the rig – off we go! After we arrived to commence our truck duties, I grabbed my helmet and began my assigned functions. Shortly after the battle was over, my company brethren ran up to me and enthusiastically inquired if I recorded any live footage. In shear frustration, I replied, “Guys! I forgot all about it.” Even though, I just mounted it on my helmet a few short hours ago.
Well, as you can see; I never realized that it was there. The camera was inconspicuously mounted to my helmet and it never even impeded my vision. Not to mentioned, it never even distracted the performance of my duties – Obviously! Therefore, my friends, if you have any diffident reservations concerning this device; please allow me to share these personal considerations with you.
- The camera’s operation is ease to comprehend and conveniently operable
- It’s very lightweight and doesn’t bare down on your helmet
- It’s easily mountable
- Produces excellent quality footage (Dependent on your mode of operation)
- Very durable for its appearance (Trust me! After being doused by water, pounded by drywall ceiling, and exposed to moderate heat.)
- Unobtrusive to your duties
- Reasonably priced
- Works when you TURN it ON! (Smiling/Laughing)
Brothers…GO FOR IT! Get one and enjoy recording your traditional legacy for its history.
Rob, please accept my personal accolades. “Thanks for sharing your product with us”.
If anyone does purchases this product in the future and decides to utilize it appropriately. Please, convey your comments and concerns to Rob by email on his website. I’m sure he would be overjoyed hear from you pertaining to his product.
One more thing…don’t forget to tell us about your personal reviews and stories here on VentEnterSearch.com
Be safe out there!
Darrell
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George,
Not a bad concept! Sometimes, gratitude comes in different forms. Cameras are excellent tools for situations like those.
Thanks for the notation!
Be safe out there!
Darrell
Blake brings up a new issue which has been highlighted in Detroit. I wrote an article summerizing the issues and sources for articles on the topic. As I always tell my membership “ASK FIRST” and always film or take photos in good taste. This topic could be a huge issue for my site since I am 70% video….
We shall see.
http://www.hamptonsfire.blogspot.com
http://hamptonsfire.blogspot.com/2007/04/firefighter-helmet-cameras-under.html
Yeah, The problem lyes in posting certain videos. Care must be taken into not posting videos which contain patient confidentiality. But wait! Law Enforcement has been using video for high speed chases and shootings AND have been posting the videos on network T.V. since the 80′s! But damn Chris Glaub for showing his pride of the Detroit fire dept.! It is funny how the majority of fire depts. around the nation are completely supportive of this product. Our company has several fire chiefs and municipalities who are buying several units for their firefighters. There is actually video that is being used in litigation for arson right now in 1 municipality. There are 2 major Depts. in Tenn. and NY that just put in orders for several units this week. I think the concept is catching along very well. Especially for training. You will see it soon at FDIC and other upcoming conferences.
Rob
The Helmet cam that Rob has produced is the best I’ve ever tested or tried to date myself. I had contacted Rob after a fellow firefighter had told me about his site. After watching many of his video’s and compairing them to the ones I had… the footage from this camera took it all. I & My staff members at PUMPFIRE.com support Rob and his site http://www.Firehelmetcam.net for one simple reson…. Firefighter SAFETY.
Firefighter safety is very important, anywhere you look its a major factor. the video footage you can get from this camera is going to help save ourselfs and others. Like it or not, many companies are not aggressive with hands on training, for some video training is all they have. I have recived many emails from Emergency workers from all around the world thanking me for the footage and pictures I post, not only from incidents but from trainings… they say that not only does it help them understand things better, But its shows them everything… From mistakes to what happens if.
Rob Im truly thankful that I found your product. As soon as you get more camera’s in stock, Im getting more.
~PUMP
Owner /Chief http://www.PUMPFIRE.com
I’ve been using the “Tony Hawk” helmet cam for about 6 mo. or so. It’s a much cheaper alternative to the FireHelmetCam but not as rugged or waterproof. The cost seemed to me, at the time, a better solution when Oregon Scientific was producing the cam FireHelmetCam is using now. I do plan on purchasing one shortly. I can give my kids the “Tony Hawk” cam when I receive my newest video camera. It has been very useful in providing a first person view of operations at various fire incident’s. Management has even suggested using it for presentation’s at meetings during budget requests etc. I find it to be very useful for training and something to refer to after a good “job” to see what occurred with the unique perspective. I’m looking forward to my new purchase because the FireHelmetCam seems to be designed more rugged and dependable use. Good job guys for taking a product and utilizing it effectively for the fire service. One or our Lt’s used to mount a light the same way the camera is mounted “below” the brim and many gave him flak for doing so. It’s nice to see someone else following suit even though its a camera and not a flashlight. Stay safe but have fun!
Christian
L1579 New England
It’s unfortunate that in a time when we’re fighting less fires and still getting roughly a 100 brothers and sisters killed a year, that the media would choose to rake our Detroit brother over the coals for posting on youtube. The only problem that I could see is his use of the phrase, fighting fire is “cool s**t”. It IS the coolest job in the world, but I think the public and the media would (did) perceive his phrasing as a bit flip. If you post a video saying that you hope other companies or departments can learn something from it, or that the public can get some insight into what we do for a living, even the media couldn’t turn that into a negative (try as they might).
I started putting videos together for our shift about a year ago. Someone passed them along to the Chief and Training Office and since then I’m “officially” making videos for the department. They look at it as a training and public relations tool, and they have been very supportive.
Just looked at the videos posted on the helmet cam website. Even compressed,they are a lot better than what I expected.
Maybe I’m missing it, but roughly how much do these cost?
I am not sure what you mean by “these cost”. The cameras entire kit is $149.95. I actually think that YouTube and Google Video is the best thing for firefighters because they can upload their videos for FREE and share them. No matter what, when you watch a fire video, you are gaining information on what that fire is doing, moving, smoke conditions and ect. If a firefighter posts a video on these sites and at least 1 other firefighter finds it, then in my opinion, he just gave the other some invaluable information that he might expect when he gets off of that rig again.
I have one question about the camera…..If you have used it can you tell me how tough it really is because Im interested in putting one on the ladder company and one on the first due engine company. If you have used it can you send me an e-mail (hnl3217@yahoo.com) telling me the pros and cons of this camera.
To answer some of your questions about the legality of helmet cams. I’m an Executive Producer and a firefighter. Legally, you can shoot video/photos from any public space of anything you want, with 2 exceptions (certain spots of federal buildings (White House)) and anything that has to deal with homeland security. So yes you can shoot victims trapped in a car wreck. But If your video is shot from inside a home or business, this is considered private property. Yes you can shoot the video but than the photographer and or department MUST obtain a Model Release and a Property Release. If these releases aren’t signed than the Photographer and Fire Department are in violation of Privacy Laws and can be sued, Also there is case law in Texas, where a Fire Photographer has been arrested and charged with violation of misuse of conduct for shooting pictures of a fatal accident involving a police chief.
Also the the use of helmet cams is going to bring the media to a boil, since you or your department are allowing cameras on the other side of the yellow tape and they are standing further way (yes I know that sounds stupid by they do and will try to sue for you banning the media from the fire scene, Constitutional rights, remember those)
So see it can have some very negative effects to, although I feel it is a tool. So just have your department contact a Media Lawyer and get written policies or SOG’s about the use of photography and helmet cams. Another thing if you do violate someones privacy, the fines are $20,000 for each time its viewed, So I wouldn’t post anything on the internet that doesn’t have a release signed.
I am sorry, but as per political and legal foundations of the fire service, the part that is stated “the fines are $20,000 for each time it is viewed” is wrong. There is absolutley no law that mandates this unless it is local jurisdiction. There are several, several videos and photos that are posted almost hourly on the internet which take place inside of other peoples homes and businesses and there are no releases signed. A Prime example is COPS. They do not break into someones house, arrest them, then later say “can you sign this so we can display it on our show, COPS?” When a fire dept. is on scene of any emergency, during that period of time it is their scene. Again, several videos have already been used in litigation where the FD video taped the interior of a building and used that footage against the property owner. We have stated that this camera is NOT for every FD. However, it is a tool that will take the fire service to another level, especially in training and investigation.
To all of those that are wondering how the cam really holds up, its not a rugged as Firehelmetcam.org makes it out to be.
First off, IT IS NOT SHOCKPROOF. Thats one of the first things listed in the manual that came with it.
Second, if its mounted onto your helmet, youll take decient video, just beware of anything impacting it, thus it NOT BEING SHOCKPROOF.
For what it cost, about 160ish after shipping, its not a bad little video cam. as long as you get it pointed in the direction of the action, youll get good stuff. car fires, tool jobs, etc, your guys will eat it up. havent put it through any fire yet, but i am kinda cautious about that. For any of you guys that are in to any other extreme sports, for me, mx and atv’s, youll have a great cam for riding dunes, trails, hill climbs, harescrables, etc.
one last thing i forgot to add.
during research of this product, it can be found for cheaper on websites such as ebay. a fellow firefighter just bought on there for under $100.00. a 2Gb flash card can be bought for around $15 for the cheap ones.
I did buy my cam from firehelmetcam.org because im guessing the guy is a fellow brother somewhere, and im all about keeping it in the fam.
Thanks for pointing that out in the manual. I had someone else say the same thing the other day about the shockproof statement. It’s weird that it says SHOCKPROOF on the package and not in the manual. I am going to contact the VP tomorrow about that and clear it up. They are definatley cheaper on ebay. But you have to pay a lot more for shipping and the 2GB cards they sell are not always compatable. You will NOT get a fire helmet mount either. I have done extensive research to put together the camera, 4 NIMH BATT. with charger, a 1GB card and an actual metal fire helmet mount that I am throwing in for free, and keep the price very low for fellow firefighters. Also 1 more thing. Check out this vid of a fellow Memphis FF dropping the cam that I have posted on my website. http://www.firehelmetcam.net/id7.html
Also the fellow brothers from venentersearch.com have dropped it several times during there live burn session. It IS shockproof.
Don’t be afraid to use it in actual fires. We are a good working dept. here in St. louis and I still have my camera on my lid since Sept. 2006. It’s well charred and keeps ticking! Thanks and if anyone wants to ask me any questions about it feel free to do so at webmaster@firehelmetcam.net
I check email twice a day and will call you if you prefer!
His site says SHOCK RESISTANT, exactly what the package and manual says also. and I personally have dropped mine, and it was fine. You get EVERYTHING that hits it especially piking ceiling. I have 2 friends that purchased them also. 1 from eBay and one from http://www.firehelmetcam.net. There WAS a problem with the SD card he got from ebay and was not able to exchange it because it was a working card, but was not compatible with the camera. There are no problems with the one from firehelmetcam.net.
What I can’t figure is-how do you keep the lens clear in a heavy smoke condition? I’m sure if the job is well vented the camera will return some great shots of those “Hollywood” types of fires. But what about the banked down to the floor, ink black nasty stuff that blackens everything you’re wearing and is almost impossible to clean off. Does the lens clean off relatively easy for the next job?
Stay safe.
We have had a few fires where the smoke and heat were like that. You get some great footage like you said. The camera has always cleaned up. I take it off and actually wash it in the sink with soap and water and take a cloth and clean and dry the lens. I’ve never had a problem with soot.
I’m the guy from Detroit that got all the media attention out here. The camera is GREAT. I’ve taken it into, on top of, and through 20 or 30 fires since I’ve had it, it has taken alot of heat and impact durring that time and it keeps putting out great video.
I run with two firefighters that were laid off before their frst year was up and have just come back on duty. We come back from the fires, hook it up to the TV and go over everything we did. The training implications are unlimited.
I do have one thing to say about the suggested placement of the camera. I keep mine under the brim of the helmet and to the side. I cannot see the camera and it doesn’t get in the way at all but it is more protected from debris and heat as well as it’s not sticking out of the side of the helmet.
Our job is changing and so is the public perception of us. The local, state, and federal governments have started cutting back on funding, and trying to paint us as cowboys who get paid to sleep. The feds don’t want to give LODD death benifits to our men who die of heart attack, stroke, and cancer. The public needs to be shown what we are up against, and what risks, and health threats we face.
-Chris Glaub
You hit the nail on the head Chris. Our dept. here in East St. Louis has been shutting down companies and getting rid of men through attrition every year. We are now down to 3 men on a rig and only 2 rigs per structure fire. That’s right, it’s John Wayne time…Only 6 men and a BC for a house. Also, our company has been selling the new fire helmet mounts for over a month now and they are designed to go “under the brim” like you stated. We do not recommend placing it on top. It WILL take the heat though!
Stay safe!
Rob Schield
Owner-Fire Cam Inc.
IAFF 23
ESLFD
Proud of all of you guys….keep up the great work and your PASSION! God bless you and your families.
Jennifer “Reilly” from Central Florida
Who is this Marc person? I am always amazed at someone who wants to talk big talk about doing it in the streets when they come from somewhere that doesnt see crap. How ignorant are you Marc to not see the training, documentation, legal and investigation advantages of such a device? I do agree that there are mutts who will purchase this to get their rocks off, but there will always be mutts. Your a prime example of what the fire service does not need. A lack of common sense, vision and probably true experience. As a 23 year veteran,Instructor and Officer of a very busy Engine Company in the city I welcome anything that may help us in our career.
Wow, you get pretty intimidated by someone who has a different opinion than yours. You’re exactly what the fire service doesn’t need another ahole who thinks he knows everything. How do you know what I’ve seen? Get over yourself buddy.
Question for all that have the cameras:
Is the camera easily secured and removed from the helmet mount? Does the mount wear out with consistant removal of the camera? The camera I plan on buying will be moved from helmet to helmet so will this be a problem I need to address?
Does anyones agency have a SOP/G or protocal reguarding helmet cam use? It sounds that some departments have embraced their benefits with good reason. I know that approval would need to be sought in my agency and some background would be helpfull. Does the mounting assembly require any alteration of the helmet or does it just clip on like a flashlight mount.
Thanks
Looking for sop’s for helmet cams.
i am in the process of getting a fire cam but i would also like to point out that rescur crews can benifit from this to, we are a fire rescue department an get call to most of the mva and i think that having the cam can later give you insit into how you could crib a vehicle differently or you can see different ways that you could have done youre extrication although i feel that this is a great tool i also would like to stress that it is not a priority it should only be turned on if thiers time DONT STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO GET GOOD FOOTAGE
be safe and train hard
chris
I’ve been visiting this site of a good long time now and have yet to respond to anything, but I felt compelled to give my two cents this time.
Just as a quick response to the bickering above:
To Tim, in your 23 years you have probably seen alot of evolutions/improvements in the service and notably you gave a solid opinion on the matter. You obviously have some merit to disagree with Marcs opinion. But in a way your reaction is just the response some people salivate with anticipation to have from us, and would have been better off not given, so save embarassment by some
To Marc: It is clear you never came from a volunteer department before you became a excessively paid city employee. Your passion is commended, even though misguided. As for the your view on the camera, at one time, Scott air packs were viewed as useless by some seasoned jakes in the 70′s, even bunker pants were viewed as unwarranted, but to childishly pass off this “toy”, as you called it, is ingorance. I hope it is not a product of your experience so far at your department. My best guess is you have not been on the job very long, or you can talk it up like a champ. Time and maturity will adjust your views….hopefully.
To Rob Schield: Great adaptation of a “extreme sports” device to further enhance firefighter safety and training to a level not available in the past, it is not a benchmark event or tool but a worthwhile use of technology and innovation.
In conclusion, think of the learning aspect of it. Groups such as the F.O.O.L.S, who relentlessly advocate training, could use this for tactic classes, or better critique training evolutions.
The camera is best summed up in this line:
“It may not save the past or avoid the present, but it will teach the future.”
Stay safe all.
SOPs for mike and Conan,
We have recently set up our first set of SOPs for our helmet cam use. It is only interim until we get more use and testing. It may work to pacify your admin. though. It basically says if we record something we will allow our BC to review the film to make sure there is no sensitive clips on it ( mainly directed at civilian fatalities or civilians in comprimising postions). other than that it is really basic stating we cant alter dept issue equip. to install it etc. Our dept is very interested in using these to improve our operations through review and critique. Any questions let me know.
Training creates instinct
JC
SFD T6B
jc could you email me a copy of that sop
CAPTKING@peoplepc.com
thanks for your help
you think that you could shoot a copy of that sop my way to? midget144@hotmail.com
JC, any chance of sending that SOP north of the border, up to Toronto
mdrenters@gmail.com
Thanks Brother
Hello Guys, Just thought I would drop a line on the subject since I haven’t talked in a while… This camera has really taken off in the fire service all over the world, and I am proud to say that just since June of this year, our site has had 7.8 million hits ,
http://www.firecamera.com/index.cfm?Section=7&pagenum=237&titles=0 . We have sold units to every major and small dept. all over the US. FDNY, Chicago, Memphis, San Diego…You name it. While not trying to boast, I am REALLY trying to let everyone know 2 things… We offer FREE fire videos to view at all times on our website which include eveything from Helmet cam videos to flashovers to backdrafts to bumpers from car fires exploding and injuring firefighters. 2 Reasons why we offer this. 1 is that we give away $$$$ or a fire helmet cam every month for your video submissions.and 2…WE NEED TO PLACE THESE VIDEOS ONLINE FOR FREE FOR ALL FIREFIGHTERS TO VIEW!!!!!! We need to stick together and save our own! This is my way of giving firefighters free visual training while still giving away free product.
Also, we are currently developing a system that should be ready by FDIC (March 08) of a system that will consist of 4 wireless helmet cams, with a portable DVR that has a built in receiver and is 4 channels. IC or training officers will be able to view 4 different cameras in full color with audio while recording it all on a 4ch dvr. The range will be 2,000 ft! So Hazmat IC will now be able to watch what there techs are doing at all times!!!! They also will be water resistant and heat resistant just like these. And YES, the boys at http://www.vententersearch.com here will get one for testing purposes and review again!
Just thought I would give an update! Everyone stay safe and stay low!
Firefighter Rob Schield
IAFF 23 E. St. Louis FD
Owner – Fire Cam
We are currently looking to purchase a fire cam, but our chief is worried about legal issues and S.O.P’s.. could someone assist me with this problem?
JC,
It seems copies for a set of your departments Helmet cam S.O.P’s have recently been a big hit. We just recently gotten one of the cameras for testing also, but before it can be used for training or to help critique our fireground Ops. Our Admin Staff have the same concerns as yours I see with the basics about altering dept issued equipment install it, what we can & can’t recorded with it,etc. If you can email me a copy of the S.O.P’s it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
CPV45@Aol.com
Pete
JC,
Thank you for putting in the effort of creating SOP’s for helmet cams. We have three (so far) firefighters waiting for admin staff to give us the OK.
Like the other brothers, I would really appreciate a copy.
Regards, Chris
csmcg@blkmountain.com
JC, could you add me to the copy list for your SOP’s regarding the helmet cam.
Thanks
dave.tessier@trw.com
JC,could you also send me a copy of SOP’s. In the process of creating some since popularity of helmetcams and cell phones. Our Admin has not pushed the issue but would like to get a different view before we submit ours.
Thanks, Brice Reynolds abrl3@hotmail.com
Shipping was quick, I only have one issue with it so far. It took over an hour form e to figure out how to mount it onto my helmet. It could have came with better instructions. Overall good so far still waiting to use it.
I would like copies of SOP/G’s from other Brothers if possible. Please email to:
engine_3_w@yahoo.com with Helmet Cam in subject line.
Thanks Men, and stay safe out there!
I’ve had the helmet cam for about two months now, so far so good. What I find very useful is filming drills and training evaluations. Watching the footage of our drills, has made another whole training session. It’s like getting more bangs for your buck! Mounting the camera under the helmet brim also picks up all the radio transmissions which is helpful for critiques. My department’s tactical channels are not recorded at this time. This helps eliminate what people thought they said or heard during emergencies. Thanks, Steve-
Firefighters, relax, its a camera, its good to review for improving yourself. Trauma Centers been doing this for a long time. You are overthinking this thing. Put it on and forget it, you might actually improve the quality of your work — again — relax. Mike
Can I please get a copy of your SOP/SOG. Thanks in advance.
ltweant@windstream.net
I got one of these cams a while back and love it… I’ve got around 10 fires with it both attack and truckie ops, what i was wondering was it says it has a Mic for recording but even after i click it on in the menu it doesn’t seem to record sound.. any tips or does it just not record sound??? any thoughts..
thanks
stephen
Hey guys, i’ve just got one of these cams’s and want to do a report on the potential use for training and operational use for our service in Australia.
If anyone has copies of any SOP’s or report on the use of the helmet cam could you please email them to me.
j.breaks@cfa.vic.gov.au
Thanks is advance,
John.
I am Virginia Beach Firefighter and it seems that our department is also worried about the Helmet camera .I would really appreciate any info on SOP for the camera .Thanks for your time .Bob Oechsner VBFD Co.# 8/A
Here’s My e-mail address vbhog@cox.net
I have had the Camera for about 6 months and now there is a concern about SOG’s for the camera. The D/C is worried that the video recorded will violate HIPPA and other patient confidentiality laws. If anyone has SOG’s regarding review procedures for the department or info about legality issues please forward them to me. Like everyone else this is a training/PR tool that is beneficial if used properly.
Thanks,
Chris Wilson
Bloomingdale Fire District, IL
chrisw37@comcast.net
A few guys on my department have purchased the helmet cameras and have already used them. The Chief of Department recently sent a memo to all stations stating that the use of these cameras will no longer be permitted under any circumstances. Legality issues apparently. Our union is looking into it. Be sure to check with your department administration before spending the money. It is a very cool gizmo, though. We’ll see how this plays out.
Brian Gallant
New Bedford Fire Department
New Bedford, MA
I have had the helmet cam for almost a year now and its been cool with the video function for clips of fires and stuff. However just the other day we had a fire where myself and the interior officer had our cameras on and while in the thick smoke we could’nt see any video, The audio on the camera helped in doing a critique of the interior operations of the incident. Its an awsome tool thats invaluable for training purposes.
Jason Stadler
Truck Captain
Lewes, Delaware
http://www.lewesfire.com
Our past chief just got one and put it on, the first video was rolling into a smoke inside the structure call but the video was EXCELLENT!! I am buying one and I suggest everyone get one they are perfect for training and just watching a different angle of your department.
just put my 2 cents on this. i bought one of these cameras a while back and now it sits useless collecting dust in my locker. not because it broke but because my FD decided to crackdown on photography. my department has now banned all photography on scene except those photos taken by officers. members are required to remove any photos of them in department issued gear or at the station from their myspace or facebook pages (taken with the members camera and stored on their personal comp). no videos are to taken during a scene or while enroute due to wiretapping laws. does this seem dumb or overkill to anyone else?
Yep, guys want the pictures, but a few dough heads probably ruined it by putting a picture of themself on the job right next to a picture of them drunk at the naked bar or something like that on their myspace page. As long as guys know the ediquette of pictures of fire scenes and ourselves and our brothers on the job every thing is fine but like lots of other things in this job, a couple of guys ruin it for the rest of us.
One perk about the camera is that it helps in criminal cases, such that command or an operator of a truck can scan the crowd for suspicions activity and no one even know. Thats one thing we are using it for.
I just received my helmet cam and so far I am pleased. Even at night during drills it works better than expected. I haven’t been in a fire yet but I am sure it will not be long.
I too am very interested in SOG/SOP regarding camera use… I want to get a jump start before Admin starts asking for something and I am scrambling to put one together. We have a pretty progressive video-based training program that is delivered via our Intranet in the stations each month and this will enhance it.
Any documents anyone can provide would be greatly appreciated. heedermg@cityofgainesville.org
Like many departments we have firefighters wanting to use these helmet cams and as a department we are not opposed to our members taking photographs or video, but we really want to have SOP’s in place detailing the who, what, why, when, where, and how the media will be used/distributed. I would also appreciate any documents other departments have developed regarding this issue. We’ve done a state-wide search and come up dry. If anyone has developed them I would appreciate a copy. pstewart@ckfr.org
Thanks.
As professional providor we to an extent fall under HIPAA (Particularly paragraphs 4&5 of page 17, and paragraph 1 of page 18 in the following link http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:0–LNcX1fHgJ:www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacysummary.pdf+hipaa+law+enforcement&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us ) this activity could land the fire fighter and his department in trouble with the Feds and\or Civil Action.
I am by no means an expert of the Criminal or Civil code but it worries me enough that I restrict cameras on my engine to non-medical calls, this includes MVAs that envolve patients.
I think people are overcomplicating a simple video record. To say this violates HIPAA is over kill. Do you feel violated when you pump gas, buy grocieries, or park your car? How about when you go to the hospital. All of these activites are recorded and stored for review. It’s not illegal to take a picture in a crowd and post it on your website? Some one in the background can’t find you and sue you for violating his privacy. Use your best judgment.
“It’s not illegal to take a picture in a crowd and post it on your website?”
You are right, as far as being a private citizen taking pictures in plain site for the public to see. Health care provider are governed by law that do not apply to the public at large. I am not saying that anything will come of it, but as the officer in charge you have to be aware that by allowing a member of the department to record private information is different than a reporter snapping a photo or a private citizen capturing it on their cell phone.
On a fire scene there would not be an issue, if a person’s medical information was not recorded. If on the other hand you make an MVA and you record the injuries and the patient is identifiable then you distribute the video and or audio you may violate the patient’s right to privacy. Once you start treating a patient you are obligated to only provide medical information to the patient or the medical staff as needed to treat the patient. To do otherwise is playing Russian roulette with a law suit.
I may be over blowing this but I have to think of my family. Why would I allow someone on my crew to conduct themselves in a manor that would put me in the middle of a la suit? Just so they could get credit for posting 3 minutes of video YouTube? Not me.
I could see it now. Make a call and record the Q&A with the patient…
FF Joe >> Do you have any condition we need to know about?
Suzie Q >> Uhh.. yeah. I have full blown AIDs and TB. {cough cough}.
FF Joe >> What about drugs?
Suzie Q >> Yes, but only when I don’t have to work.
FF Joe >> Thats not what I mean? Do you that medicine for your medical problems.
Suzie Q >> Oh now I know what you mean. Yea I take…
Then you get back to the station and FF Joe posts the video from his handy dandy $100 bullet cam, before the LT. or Capt. can finish his report. That would be a clear violation of the patient’s right to not have their medical condition or history repeated to persons not responsible for direct care of the patient.
For those of you who say that would never happen just look at videos post around the web. May be not what I just described but pretty close and it will only be a matter of time before we see a law suit from John Q Citizen complaining about their privacy being violated.
When it happens it won’t matter if you are right or not. A lawyer will take it for 30%, costing the plaintiff nothing, to sue the FF officer and the Dept the are with. Is it worth a few minutes of video to risk being personally sued and costing you and your family a small fortune? Not me.
If the Dept issues us a camera I will use it, as prescribed and process it accordingly, but I will neither view it or keep a recording of it.
We have 5 Training Officers that have both video and still camera to record events for training. That is enough for me. For now I will simple watch the web and LMAO, but without orders and a clear SOP from HQ I will not allow a camera on my Engine on my shift.
I have to aggree with the last post… The mand with the red suspenders and the BMW is always out to get john q. firefighter… for some reason we get no respect from lawyers… maybe its cause they know we can be lax… so the best thing to do is to always keep your eyes open and be alert…
Brothers, I have a cam, and have made much use of it. Firehouse Central, (The FDNY Brothers will remember me as “pinky”) and Orlando Fire Conference (Once again, “Pinky”) as well as several working structure fires. The info I have gathered is invaluable. From Lt. Mike Ciampos truck tips, to flashover training, to showing how a structure collapses when it is on fire, my camera has caught it, and I have reviewed the footage with Brothers from a variety of Fire Depts in Central Florida, and each time, I have walked away with another piece of knowlage, or a suggestion of how to do something a different way.
That is what it is all about. Learn, teach, share.
Be safe!
FTM-PTB
AJ Zuke IHBFD
I will agree to the extent that after incident use of most video\audio can help critique incidents (fire and medical alike). I was only pointing out there is a potential liability from outside influences. Whether or not you would be penalized depends on the circumstances of each incident, and in some cases luck.
I go to court several times a year on suits that seldom win. It seems the courts believe EVERYONE deserves a shot at the “Civil Slot Machine” and refuse to issue summary judgment declaring the suits groundless. Seeing this I have choose to limit my exposure. I even shred my field notes after submitting my E-report.
I am not saying you are wrong for using a camera. I am just stating I am not going to use a camera, and no one on my engine will as long as the Chief of the department gives me that altitude.
Let me ask you something. If you were jammed up by a law suit for using a “non-department” camera would your department pay your legal bills? They may but I doubt it.
I have 28+ years in and own 2 companies on the side. I also have a nice cash nest egg for retirement. I choose not to expose my family to even the remote chance of a law suit.
If you are comfortable with the potential problems that is great. I am not.
One more thing. Please to not take this or any of my post as a direct attack on your person or your department. Like everyone in the fire service we have general guidelines and procedures we follow. I am just expressing my opinion and by no means consider myself an expert, or the finial authority on any subject we discuss here. It is just my opinion.
Hey guys i was thinking on getting a cam but i was wondering the same as all of you guys can you send a copy of those SOP’s my way please mkclausen@sasktel.net
Umm, I’m not sure, but this camera from http://www.firehelmetcam.net is EXACTLY THE SAME THING that is manufactured by Oregon Scientific. The product number is the ATC2K Waterproof Action Cam. The firehelmetcam.net website even uses the SAME EXACT PICTURE off of the oregon scientific website. Just because http://www.firehelmetcam.net puts the word FIRE in it, everyone thinks its different so they’ll pay the extra money. It available for $119.99 on the Oregon Scientific Website and EVEN CHEAPER on EBAY. This is a scam.
Yes this is the same cam that is on the Oregon Scientific web site, however you do not get the proper helmet mount and your video will be very shaky and you will have a hard time seeing what is going on. Also if you go to the Oregon Scientific web site all you get for $119.99 is the cam NOTHING ELSE, but if you start adding in stuff (rechargeable batteries, 2GIG SD card ETC….) you end up at almost the exact same price as you do from http://www.firehelmetcam.net minus the proper helmet mount. So I would have to say that the better deal is through http://www.firehelmetcam.net.
I see alot of people asking for SOP’S/SOG’S on cam use. Has anyone even developed one yet? If so could you send me a copy at jamoroney@seuclidfire.com .
Thanks and… Be Smart!
I would like to get information regarding the SOGs for helmet cams. Please send to acnarb@comcast.net
Thanks
video is ok but the mount SUCKS need to fix it all the time
Hey guys,
Sorry it took so long, but we have SOP’s that are available for download on the homepage of our website. We hired an underwriter from the State of Marylands Fire Service Institute to write them. They are easily adaptable and since they are in word format, your dept. can change or ad anything they want to them.
Go to http://www.firehelmetcam.net and on the “quick links” at the center right of the page, you will see SOP’s.
Thanks and everybody
Stay Safe!
Rob Schield
Owner
Fire Cam
Also, just a reminder guys, we ARE the manufacturers of the NEW FCII Fire Helmet Camera which we will release in 4 weeks. It will be waterproof, shock resistant, recordable up to 8 hours, have a built in flashlight, wider angle lens, built in stabilizer, have an external shell which can be white, black, red, yellow so if you get heat damage, you can replace the outer shell ONLY and not have to replace the whole camera, and we will have dash mounts available for them. The video is a LOT better especially in low light and the audio is in full stereo.
You won’t be able to purchase it from eBay OR oregon scientific. It is completley manufactured by us, Fire Cam.
Here is the demo video,
http://community.firevideo.net/video/video/show?id=2041917%3AVideo%3A162
Thanks and stay safe!
Rob Schield
Owner
Fire Cam
we have one , after years of taking still pictures and telling the other shifts now i can down load the video with sound . we can see and hear most everything, i can use it as a training tool and discuss the call later .
the helment cam does not lie , it shows what you were really doing on scene.
It’s a camera get over it. It’s the same as having a department photographer. Also if you call yourself a jake then you are definitely not one!
Does anyone have copies of SOP/G’s for the use of the Fire Cam. Thanks! Please email to:
cjackson@tcfire.org
Stay safe out there!
To Marc- “Why in the world do we need this? I’m a little surprised you’re wasting time on this “toy”. At first I thought it was a TIC then I realized it’s not. This site has impressed me with its no non-sense approach to our job. This product just doesn’t fit in.
Whatever!” I am amazed at your narrow mind set! These are great tools for training, either good or bad examples are still considered training. I personaly use a Helmet Camera and a little TriPod Camera for driver training so that the pump operator is able to look back and see what they could have missed or done better. I also have used both on extrications and house fire again both excellant training aids when used in the incident critique. Plus where I mounted the tripod we were able to hear the radio traffic and watch the changing fire conditions and see the tactics also change.
Hopefully you grow up and learn the benefit of new ideas and tools of the trade that can make our job safer so that we all go home.
Brian
Local 2896